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in some ways it defined what the election is all about. let's watch. there. >> are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. all right there are 47% with him who believe that they're victims, who belief the government has the responsibility to care for them. so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never -- they should take first responsibility and care for their lives. >> agreed, john, agreed, ken, that this was the line that put him away? >> not only was this unbelievably devicive in a country that likes to think of itself as one country, but it was critically important that it was caught on surruptious video. if this is something he had said in public, it would have been a big gaffe, but not as big as seeing it on that video where the voter is thinking ah-ha, now i'm seeing the real mitt romney, not one in the imagining. >> and not just that, the setting, that he was speaking to wealthy donors who he could be candid with. it was like the true mitt romney talking to his people in this setting. just so illustrative of
in some ways it defined what the election is all about. let's watch. there. >> are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. all right there are 47% with him who believe that they're victims, who belief the government has the responsibility to care for them. so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never -- they should take first responsibility and care for their lives. >> agreed, john, agreed, ken, that this was the line that put him away? >>...
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so what that etch-a-sketch comment did, it almost cost them the election right there. it prevented them from scampering back to the ish shoe. it didn't allow romney the running room he needed. >> i also say i don't believe a word that i spoke since running for president. here's one for you, ken. if one crystallized the overwhelm trouble, it was this. take a look at number 6. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways of shutting that whole thing down. >> let's start with the first part. if it's a legitimate rape? what did that mean? >> what it meant was absolutely unjustifiable. and it was the reason, the potential for todd aiken to go off the reservation and prepare to hit him on. it shows why democrats wanted him to be the nominee to the point where they advertise democratic super pacts in his primary for the republican nomination to run against claire mccaskell to say todd aken is too conservative. he is opposed to abortion. hey, this sounds like our kind of guy. >> you know, canadian
so what that etch-a-sketch comment did, it almost cost them the election right there. it prevented them from scampering back to the ish shoe. it didn't allow romney the running room he needed. >> i also say i don't believe a word that i spoke since running for president. here's one for you, ken. if one crystallized the overwhelm trouble, it was this. take a look at number 6. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the...
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in the outcome of the election. the first time we saw a major presidential candidate using class warfare to create divide amongst hardworking miles per hours to suggest people who pay majority of taxes are not contributing their fair share. >> juan: glad you let us know how you feel. democra >> kimberly: that was the point. >> eric: in 2016 you will hear it more. fair share. >> juan: here is so i don't want to hear again. take a look. or take a listen. ♪ ♪ ♪ gangnam style ♪ gangnam style >> juan: now that is something i can do without in 2013. it has swept the world. it's now the most watched video ever. it's in every -- i can't go to a ballgame. i can't go to the supermarket. i can't go to the dentist. the hot tub! check it out, greg. what is that from years past? the ghost of, the ghost of new year's past. macarena? my gosh. ♪ macarena ♪ macarena ♪ hey, macarena >> kimberly: so, juan, was that music clip from your last vacation in puerto rico in the lobby? >> juan: in my new year's eve fantasy world.
in the outcome of the election. the first time we saw a major presidential candidate using class warfare to create divide amongst hardworking miles per hours to suggest people who pay majority of taxes are not contributing their fair share. >> juan: glad you let us know how you feel. democra >> kimberly: that was the point. >> eric: in 2016 you will hear it more. fair share. >> juan: here is so i don't want to hear again. take a look. or take a listen. ♪ ♪ ♪...
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they had about six two weeks for the election. people are going to look for skeptically coming up. >> biggest winner. again, i'm going to go first because once again, i couldn't be more obvious. i just think the guy who wins the presidential election is really, you know, by every measure the biggest winner. and he did it with this crushing unemployment rate on his administration which he did everything he could possibly do to fix. but he didn't have it politically fixed by the time he went into re-election. he got re-elected with an unemployment number that everybody thought was impossible. so that credit goes to president obama. biggest winner of 2012 for me. karen finny. >> i'm going with the home team and say msnbc because we kicked that other network. >> don't even try to get the ipad. she gets the ipad. >> you previewed mine. i was going to say nate silver. because i think math was a huge winner this year. he looked at the numbers and polls properly. he understood the relative weight of gallup and better polls. the people who
they had about six two weeks for the election. people are going to look for skeptically coming up. >> biggest winner. again, i'm going to go first because once again, i couldn't be more obvious. i just think the guy who wins the presidential election is really, you know, by every measure the biggest winner. and he did it with this crushing unemployment rate on his administration which he did everything he could possibly do to fix. but he didn't have it politically fixed by the time he...
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and what was really remarkable is by time election day rolled around, the election had almost become a referendum on mitt romney. gwen: yeah, funny how they turned that around. after it was all over, a lot of the things we didn't believe during the campaign, the obama people said oh, we figured this out. we know who our voters are. we know where to spend the money. we thought they were boasting. and it turns out they were right. >> the one thing, really, i think defied everybody's expectations is what the obama campaign said they were going to do, was that they were going to turn out an electorate in 2012 that looked very much like the electorate in 2008, that they were going to get huge numbers of african americans and young people. that they were going to mobilize the hispanic vote. a lot of republicans couldn't believe these polling numbers. there were so much talk of skewed polls. after the election the romney campaign said they just couldn't believe that the obama operation was capable of doing this. >> karen, to what extent do we think that the electorate that they produced in
and what was really remarkable is by time election day rolled around, the election had almost become a referendum on mitt romney. gwen: yeah, funny how they turned that around. after it was all over, a lot of the things we didn't believe during the campaign, the obama people said oh, we figured this out. we know who our voters are. we know where to spend the money. we thought they were boasting. and it turns out they were right. >> the one thing, really, i think defied everybody's...
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and that elections assistance commission would go a long way. would be a clearing house for some of the best practices in this nation to continue to drive the polls, that voting should be for everybody, not a select few. and we really need to make sure that the federal government uses the tools that have in their tool box and not idly sit by and let things happen in the state and across the country. >> in your state of ohio, republicans unfairly targeted minority and low income areas with voter suppression tactics that is well documented. >> yes. >> but if this law were to pass, the line act that senator boxer has put in place, would this really clear up the problems you saw in 2012? >> i think somewhat, ed, and i commend senator barbara boxer for standing up for all voters in this country. but ultimately, voters hold the key. and voters have got to continue to vote for policymakers and executives who respect the power of the vote, and not those who try to suppress it. so even though the feds need to do their job, senator boxer, i give a big sho
and that elections assistance commission would go a long way. would be a clearing house for some of the best practices in this nation to continue to drive the polls, that voting should be for everybody, not a select few. and we really need to make sure that the federal government uses the tools that have in their tool box and not idly sit by and let things happen in the state and across the country. >> in your state of ohio, republicans unfairly targeted minority and low income areas with...
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>> he did call it an act of terror. >> it's our turn now. >> president obama has been re-elected for a second term. >> i just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. all right, so? >> good times. let's get right to our panel. toure is co-host of "the cycle" here on msnbc and jimmy williams is an msnbc contributor. come on, guys, when you see that, don't you just get nostalgic for the campaign. it's the talk of the 47%, free stuff, and the latest from tagg romney that apparently his dad never really wanted the job anyway, right? >> the clown car is so stuffed what mall aproposeisms and other stuff. we didn't know rick perry forgetting to name some -- and newt gingrich's press release and any number of comments from him. >> but there's more. let's take a look at what i'm going to call the most monumental piece of found that didn't make it into that montage. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims.
>> he did call it an act of terror. >> it's our turn now. >> president obama has been re-elected for a second term. >> i just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. all right, so? >> good times. let's get right to our panel. toure is co-host of "the cycle" here on msnbc and jimmy williams is an msnbc contributor. come on, guys, when you see that, don't you just get nostalgic for the campaign. it's...
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i started to say this before the election day. the first step in the fiscal cliff ought to be a republican discussion about what they were and were not willing to do. that did that seem to take place until earlier this week. the conversation was inconclusive. the one thing that has not happened yet, democrats have provided the votes on a lot of budget-related matters over the years but it was only after the tea party gave boehner permission to negotiate with the democrats -- those circumstances have to happen. we see you pushed as hard as you could. we now need to get something done. we're going to vote against this but work with the democrats. host: we have spoken to a number of republicans who say that the problem is spending. the government needs to cut spending. that is where we need to go in terms of reducing the deficit. guest: that is true, we need to cut spending, but there is some conflicting other couple issues. we to cut long-term spending on retirement programs to make them more in line with economic growth, not make t
i started to say this before the election day. the first step in the fiscal cliff ought to be a republican discussion about what they were and were not willing to do. that did that seem to take place until earlier this week. the conversation was inconclusive. the one thing that has not happened yet, democrats have provided the votes on a lot of budget-related matters over the years but it was only after the tea party gave boehner permission to negotiate with the democrats -- those circumstances...
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we won the election, hold firm. so you're beginning to see that within the democratic party, the president has sort of spoken favorably about the social security fix. it was part of a broader package. but he's talked favorably about it. some democrats don't want to do that. while we've seen these rifts in the republican party. about whether to raise taxes, tax rates on anybody. you're going to begin to see this conversation as the conversation moves forward. the rifts in the democratic party about what programs should be cut and what programs should be saved. and i think that's a little of what you're seeing now. i don't know if it's enough to sort of throw the whole deal out. i think only those folks -- you did hear the folks, senator mcconnell saying i've called my friend joe biden, can he get to the president. it's clear that the democrats are saying that the president is the one who won't -- you know, who doesn't want to put up a counteroffer. so we'll see. >> changes by the hour. >> candy crowley, thank you as
we won the election, hold firm. so you're beginning to see that within the democratic party, the president has sort of spoken favorably about the social security fix. it was part of a broader package. but he's talked favorably about it. some democrats don't want to do that. while we've seen these rifts in the republican party. about whether to raise taxes, tax rates on anybody. you're going to begin to see this conversation as the conversation moves forward. the rifts in the democratic party...
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we elected this same crowd. the senate still has harry reid, the democrat, the house has john painter, the president is still the president. why she we expect anything to change. >> i don't expect anything to change. the reality is you have the same people. there very blunt, competent, dishonest, lying to the american public for a long time, promisin things they know they cannot deliver. our children, grandchildren will pay the price. maybe sooner, but the bottom line is you are dealing with people who care about themselves to maintaining power. >> i think they care about the 1%. they increase the taxes on those made for under thousand and above, less than 1%. and the republicans are holding the country hostage. they rejected that. tom: will that tax solve the deficit spending? >> it will if you include 2%, 250,000 for couples, 200,000 for individuals and above. you start taxing capital gains and dividends, reinstate that and get rid of $109 billion in corporate taxes every year. you're looking it over $300 bill
we elected this same crowd. the senate still has harry reid, the democrat, the house has john painter, the president is still the president. why she we expect anything to change. >> i don't expect anything to change. the reality is you have the same people. there very blunt, competent, dishonest, lying to the american public for a long time, promisin things they know they cannot deliver. our children, grandchildren will pay the price. maybe sooner, but the bottom line is you are dealing...
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i thought enough after the election would be sorted out and the fiscal cliff would be a painful enough deadline they would come together. but it seems like the pain will come when we get to the dead cliff where they must absolutely deal with. it's one area where they must focus attention and create another deadline where they have to do something and potentially a larger agreement. >> susie: real quickly this has been frustrating from everybody from wall street to ceo to average american taxpayers. even the president saw that playing out. how do you seep see this playing out. will we have a deal on monday. >> it'we haven't heard them tal. but the hurdle remains in the house. 9 odds look like we'll go over for some period of time what bliss brings them back to a deal at that time is anybody's guess. >> susie: we'll be reporting more on monday. thanks a lot darren. washington bureau chief darren >> reporter: still ahead, harnessing the power of play. we'll take a look at how companies can benefit from giving their employees a little free time in the new year. >> susie: looks like the cli
i thought enough after the election would be sorted out and the fiscal cliff would be a painful enough deadline they would come together. but it seems like the pain will come when we get to the dead cliff where they must absolutely deal with. it's one area where they must focus attention and create another deadline where they have to do something and potentially a larger agreement. >> susie: real quickly this has been frustrating from everybody from wall street to ceo to average american...
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i thought enough after the election would be sorted out and the fiscal cliff would be a painful enough deadline they would come together. but it seems like the pain will come when we get to the dead cliff where they must absolutely deal with. it's one area where they must focus attention and create another deadline where they have to do something and potentially a larger agreement. >> susie: real quickly this has been frustrating from everybody from wall street to ceo to average american taxpayers. even the president saw that playing out. how do you seep see this playing out. will we have a deal on monday. >> it'swe haven't heard them talkabout optimism. but the hurdle remains in the house. 9 odds look like we'll go over for some period of time what bliss brings them back to a deal at that time is anybody's guess. >> susie: we'll be reporting more on monday. thanks a lot darren. washington bureau chief darren >> reporter: still ahead harnessing the power of play. we'll take a look at how companies can benefit from giving their employees a little free time in the new year. >> susie: loo
i thought enough after the election would be sorted out and the fiscal cliff would be a painful enough deadline they would come together. but it seems like the pain will come when we get to the dead cliff where they must absolutely deal with. it's one area where they must focus attention and create another deadline where they have to do something and potentially a larger agreement. >> susie: real quickly this has been frustrating from everybody from wall street to ceo to average american...
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that is new year's to you from our elected officials. did i also mentioned you are getting a pay raise in the new year as well. all this could have been avoided if congress got its act together, but the doomsday option hit and the president set in motion. there is a chance of some sort of deal, but we have to wait until the new year. let's go directly to washington senior washington correspondent, peter barnes, with details of negotiations. >> reporter: still some pieces being negotiated tonight, particularly on the sequestration, those automatic spending cuts that are supposed to take effect on january 2nd. about $100 billion. about half of that on the past -- defense department. still trying to work through the details of some democratic and republican side. it's unclear if there will actually get to a vote in the senate on that tonight, but they could if they work something out. otherwise we have the framework from sources familiar with these negotiations. here are some of the things that are on it. taxes would rise to return to the c
that is new year's to you from our elected officials. did i also mentioned you are getting a pay raise in the new year as well. all this could have been avoided if congress got its act together, but the doomsday option hit and the president set in motion. there is a chance of some sort of deal, but we have to wait until the new year. let's go directly to washington senior washington correspondent, peter barnes, with details of negotiations. >> reporter: still some pieces being negotiated...
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>> well, understand, that congress is made up of people who have won election in 435 districts. the 50 states with two senators. the american people can decide who they are sending to congress. so, these are duly elected people who represent districts and just because somebody in one distri vote as certain way that somebody in another district doesn't like --. adam: you lose nothing. you're done. you lose nothing by speing truth to the other 434 members. what would you say to them? >> well, i think that we have sho, historically, not just this year but every the decades that congress is not good except if there's a deadline the reason the fiscal cliff exists we pushed until the end of the year this harmonic convergence of tax increases and spending cuts that are unpalatable to force action. otherwise congress would never get it done. that is speaker boehner's leverage with the debt ceiling. so i think we could do a lot better wh the type of people that we're electing to congress, moving away from the extremes and bringing more centrists who can work together. could give you a lo
>> well, understand, that congress is made up of people who have won election in 435 districts. the 50 states with two senators. the american people can decide who they are sending to congress. so, these are duly elected people who represent districts and just because somebody in one distri vote as certain way that somebody in another district doesn't like --. adam: you lose nothing. you're done. you lose nothing by speing truth to the other 434 members. what would you say to them?...
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others are saying we were elected to cut spending in washington. we need to do this. the clock is running. waiting to see what they will do. >> bret: we'll watch it and head back to breaking news with you. what a difference a day makes? not even a day. they were on their way to pass the legislation to avert the pain of self-imposed fiscal cliff and the trappings for the time being. tonight a different picture entirely. ed henry joins us live. what is the mood at the white house? >> they are watching and raising like the rest of us. there is no plan, not yet, for president to say anything. they believe with the senate republican leader mitch mcconnell on a limb, will be hard for speaker boehner not to pass this. >> biden enjoying a casual lunch with the staff. strolling back to white house saying the physical deal is still on track. >> i think so. >> basically air force one is on standby to take them back to hawaii as soon as the house approves the senate plan. some house republicans say they will disrail it. >> if i was worried about a deal struck by president obama a
others are saying we were elected to cut spending in washington. we need to do this. the clock is running. waiting to see what they will do. >> bret: we'll watch it and head back to breaking news with you. what a difference a day makes? not even a day. they were on their way to pass the legislation to avert the pain of self-imposed fiscal cliff and the trappings for the time being. tonight a different picture entirely. ed henry joins us live. what is the mood at the white house? >>...
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on politics on election night he had no idea what was going on. on policy this was if year we really saw the public turn against his enduring legacy to go against people who happen to be gay. the public and the republican party are turning against that. that's going to be hig his legacy sadly for a long time. >> for 20 years on the show the donald trump award has gone to donald trump. once again, i feel i will be giving it to donald trump because i do find it impossible to updo donald trump on embarrassing yourself. there are a couple of people who tried. they trooid really hard to outdo donald trump. let's take a look at, for example, todd akin. >> yeah. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> just when you thought he had that whole jurisdiction wrapped up, there came richard murdoch who we should also take a look at. >> i think even when life begins in that horrible situation in rape, that it is something that god intend
on politics on election night he had no idea what was going on. on policy this was if year we really saw the public turn against his enduring legacy to go against people who happen to be gay. the public and the republican party are turning against that. that's going to be hig his legacy sadly for a long time. >> for 20 years on the show the donald trump award has gone to donald trump. once again, i feel i will be giving it to donald trump because i do find it impossible to updo donald...
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then he's going to have to go back to his caucus and say re-elect me as speaker. how does he do that? >> i think it's two separate questions, richard. on the first point he's going to have a difficult time to corral votes. if the president bring his 250 plan to the house floor, you're not going to see many republicans go after it. but at the same time i think boehner is pretty safe when it comes to his speakership. if gentlemen were making noise against the speaker, there would be huge trouble. i think boehner's pretty safe because there's not a challenger. >> sam, if boehner's safe in his job, it doesn't mean to say he's at all relevant here. he's just not a factor at this point, is that right? >> i think it's right but it's because boehner expressed he couldn't get his plan throw the court. i can only imagine how angry mcconnell and his staff are because they put him in a bind. all the while mitch mcconnell's got an eye on 2014 when he's up for re-election but the house speaker has shown he's largely ineffectual when it comes to this stuff. but i see what he's s
then he's going to have to go back to his caucus and say re-elect me as speaker. how does he do that? >> i think it's two separate questions, richard. on the first point he's going to have a difficult time to corral votes. if the president bring his 250 plan to the house floor, you're not going to see many republicans go after it. but at the same time i think boehner is pretty safe when it comes to his speakership. if gentlemen were making noise against the speaker, there would be huge...
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i think the question at the heart of the election that the rld wanted the answer to. is the united states capable of serious course correction? and i think both on november the sixth and in the so-called fiscal clef, sokol negotiations that followed, we are telling the world that the united states is not capable of serious course correction, and that will have catastrophic consequences for america. lou: when you say catastrophic consequences, tonight it seems as if we are, this broadcast has been organized to prove your point. bill archer joined us, former house ways and means committee in 1996 who was president at alst the destruction of the government nder president clinton and speaker gingrich. we have hisexperience, also the experience as a member of the budget commission put together president clinton which came to nothing. just as the simpson bowles commission came to nothing. and as this fiscal clef being managed by his president does t look promising. >> that is really the point you brought up earlier. when you have european levels of spending which we now hav
i think the question at the heart of the election that the rld wanted the answer to. is the united states capable of serious course correction? and i think both on november the sixth and in the so-called fiscal clef, sokol negotiations that followed, we are telling the world that the united states is not capable of serious course correction, and that will have catastrophic consequences for america. lou: when you say catastrophic consequences, tonight it seems as if we are, this broadcast has...
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r more interested in being right than in doing the the right thing and representing the people who elected you. >> reporter: mary snow, cnn, new york. >>> i'm joe johns. thanks for joining us. cnn newsroom continues now with ashlee banfield. >> we went over the fiscal cliff. yep at midnight and then just a couple hours later, the senate came up with a solution. now it's off to the house. the house has to sign off. they will get back to work this afternoon. what's in the deal? well, it starts with the new income tax threshold. those folks agreed to let the taxes go up but only on the family who is make over $450,000 in combined income. the itemized deductions will also be capped at $300,000 for families. and the estate tax, that was a big sticking point for lawmakers, and now the tax rate goes up to 40% for estates that are valued over $5 million. so if you're under $5 million, you skated there too. other key points are an extension of the long-term unemployment benefits. the renewal of tuition and child care tax credits and then something called the doc fix. it reimburses doctors who take
r more interested in being right than in doing the the right thing and representing the people who elected you. >> reporter: mary snow, cnn, new york. >>> i'm joe johns. thanks for joining us. cnn newsroom continues now with ashlee banfield. >> we went over the fiscal cliff. yep at midnight and then just a couple hours later, the senate came up with a solution. now it's off to the house. the house has to sign off. they will get back to work this afternoon. what's in the...
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this is part of the story of the 2012 election and maybe the never several elections. sam wang had an accurate forecasting model. he sent us a cartoon rather than a chart. he weighed in on the attacks being launched as people like us who are using data to talk about the election. it says quote, breaking, to surprise a sun dit the best system for determining which of two things is wiser. we posted these charts and a bunch of others. i'll tweet a link to them. that does it for tonight. and now it is time for the last word. have a good night. >> the house of representatives. has known for over a year that it has a monday night deadline for avoiding the fiscal cliff. so when are they going to start working on that? sunday night. >> stalemate gridlock joorks this is what the holidays look like. >> there is so much manure around here. >> this isn't school house rock. >> the fiscal cliff. whatever. >> there is barely 00 hours. >> the last minute was before christmas. >> what is going on here? is. >> how come there is no sense of urgency. >> the entire house coming back sunday
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they are elected to do a job. and during election the president announced wanting to do certain things. part of being an elected official is being forced to say what you are for and what with you are against. if they can't do that, then go back it wherever they came from and find another line ever work. >> wonder if it will get worse before it gets better. thank you for joining us today. the washington post's jennifer rubin. >>> this is wall street's fear gate. i believe it has seen the steepest drop today since june. down 14%. back below the 20 mark. you can see the dow is slightly about 13,000 again. i think the nasdaq is back -- there you go, back at 3,000 exactly. it feels as if the mark set feeling they are putting faith in a deal getting done before the deadline cracks over our heads. >> what is the "street signs" motto? >> hopium. >> no. >> oh, everything's fine. >> right. and the vix is saying. >> everything's fine. >>. we have other mottos. >> most not fit for a family show. >> what will 2013 bring for ho
they are elected to do a job. and during election the president announced wanting to do certain things. part of being an elected official is being forced to say what you are for and what with you are against. if they can't do that, then go back it wherever they came from and find another line ever work. >> wonder if it will get worse before it gets better. thank you for joining us today. the washington post's jennifer rubin. >>> this is wall street's fear gate. i believe it has...
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you're re-elected. congratulations. you have a job. now work and do it. >> fiscally irresponsible decision trying to please everyone and you please no one at all. >> they've got to work together. >> they appear to be very self-centered. >> joining me now retired admiral and former democratic congressman joe sestak of pennsylvania and msnbc contributor and former bush/cheney senior adviser robert trainum. kelly o'donnell has just reported some of the latest information. we heard there was progress overnight and we understand vice president biden and republican leader mitch mcconnell exchanged phone calls until about midnight and their aides then continued to work and we've been reporting the various areas of progress including the fact that there seems to be agreement on a new income threshold of $450,000 a year. we know yesterday that the republicans backed off on social security but sequestration is the sticking point. of course democrats say they are arguing that the new revenue generated by tax increases, especially if reduced from
you're re-elected. congratulations. you have a job. now work and do it. >> fiscally irresponsible decision trying to please everyone and you please no one at all. >> they've got to work together. >> they appear to be very self-centered. >> joining me now retired admiral and former democratic congressman joe sestak of pennsylvania and msnbc contributor and former bush/cheney senior adviser robert trainum. kelly o'donnell has just reported some of the latest information....
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in the wake of this election, you have to go back to 1988 to find a republican president who was elected by anything other than a squeaker, that probably tells something that i think the electorate, exactly as you are saying, maybe is beginning to shift. >> woodruff: but again, we've had moments in history when one party or another seemed to hit a bend in the road, when when popular opinion changed. michael, as you look at this year, i mean how much of it was the president, do you think? and how much maybe, and again i'm asking you to look way into the future, but how much could it be the kinds of things that richard was just describing? >> i think it is-- that's what a leader does. i mean he recognized the fact that the latino vote in this country is getting much, much bigger in a very important way. he brought out a lot of voters who oftentimes do not vote. and that you can expect to happen presumably in 2016. so the result is that the chances for a democrat versus a republican for all sorts of reasons in 2016 could be very different from what they were four years ago. >> woodruff: mic
in the wake of this election, you have to go back to 1988 to find a republican president who was elected by anything other than a squeaker, that probably tells something that i think the electorate, exactly as you are saying, maybe is beginning to shift. >> woodruff: but again, we've had moments in history when one party or another seemed to hit a bend in the road, when when popular opinion changed. michael, as you look at this year, i mean how much of it was the president, do you think?...
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in the wake of this election you have to go back to 1988 to find a republican president who was elected by anything other than a squeaker, that probably tells something that i think the electorate, exactly as you are saying maybe is beginning to shift. >> woodruff: but again, we've had moments in history when one party or another seemed to hit a bend in the road when when popular opinion changed. michael, as you look at this year, i mean how much of it was the president, do you think? and how much maybe and again i'm asking you to look way into the future but how much could it be the kinds of things that richard was just describing? >> i think it is-- that's what a leader does. i mean he recognized the fact that the latino vote in this country is getting much much bigger in a very important way. he brought out a lot of voters who oftentimes do not vote. and that you can expect to happen presumably in 2016. so the result is that the chances for a democrat versus a republican for all sorts of reasons in 2016 could be very different from what they were four years ago. >> woodruff: michael,
in the wake of this election you have to go back to 1988 to find a republican president who was elected by anything other than a squeaker, that probably tells something that i think the electorate, exactly as you are saying maybe is beginning to shift. >> woodruff: but again, we've had moments in history when one party or another seemed to hit a bend in the road when when popular opinion changed. michael, as you look at this year, i mean how much of it was the president, do you think? and...
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because she sailed through the election with sky high ratings. and because now she can actually do some of the bigger stuff about obesity, the biggest public health challenge in this country, frankly the western world. she can now do what she wants. >> i'm going with claire mccaskill. not just because she won her race -- thank you todd akin -- but because she showed the face of what. i think claire mccaskill really came out winning. >> jonathan? >> i would say that the 47% were the winners of this election. because they told mitt romney and the republican party to stuff it. they got off their lazy, unprincipled, immoral behinds and got out there and voted for president obama. >> krystal? >> i got to go with the obvious one, president obama. not just because he won and won convincingly, his policies have been vindicated, health care has been upheld, his approval rating is rising. he's likely to now oversee a recovery. i mean, he really truly was the big winner this year. >> i would go with jonathan with the 47% or even more. the 99%. because i thi
because she sailed through the election with sky high ratings. and because now she can actually do some of the bigger stuff about obesity, the biggest public health challenge in this country, frankly the western world. she can now do what she wants. >> i'm going with claire mccaskill. not just because she won her race -- thank you todd akin -- but because she showed the face of what. i think claire mccaskill really came out winning. >> jonathan? >> i would say that the 47%...
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history to survive a recall election. and another nod to a republican governor. >> i cannot thank the president enough for his personal concern and compassion for the people of our state. >> chris christie's full on embrace of president obama for helping new jersey came days before the election, and had no noticeable effect on the presidential race. but some republicans think christie didn't have to be that abusive. he'll remember if his name pops up in 2016. >> if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> from the say what category of entries comes a combo team, todd akin and richard murdoch. >> life is a gift from god, and i think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, it is something that god intended to happen. >> republican dreams to take control of the senate in 2012 had dwindled throughout the year, but akin and murdoch pretty much shut that door in a couple sentences. two words from mitt romney during the primary reverberated all the way through to
history to survive a recall election. and another nod to a republican governor. >> i cannot thank the president enough for his personal concern and compassion for the people of our state. >> chris christie's full on embrace of president obama for helping new jersey came days before the election, and had no noticeable effect on the presidential race. but some republicans think christie didn't have to be that abusive. he'll remember if his name pops up in 2016. >> if it's a...
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the performance by the people re-elected is a complete and utter disaster. instead of their getting a raise, we should get our money back. joining us now with the latest on the negotiations is chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel. >> the talks have shifted from the top two senators negotiating to senate republican leader mitch mcconnell trying to strike a deal with joe abide den. the senate majority leader left the capital shortly after making this comment about republicans trying to change the way inflation is measured on entitlement. >> i was really gratified to hear republicans taking their demand for social security benefit cuts off the table. truth is they should have never been on the table to begin with. they are still significant distance between twot sides and negotiations continue. still time left to reach an agreement and we can continue the negotiations. >> the senate is due to return tomorrow morning at 11:00 a.m. mcconnell said he was concerned about a lack of urgency on the side of democrats. >> willing to work with whoever, whoever
the performance by the people re-elected is a complete and utter disaster. instead of their getting a raise, we should get our money back. joining us now with the latest on the negotiations is chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel. >> the talks have shifted from the top two senators negotiating to senate republican leader mitch mcconnell trying to strike a deal with joe abide den. the senate majority leader left the capital shortly after making this comment about republicans...
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the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. >> the president seemed to be much more comfortable in the white house briefing room today using the bully pulpit saying enough is enough. >> he did. i thought that he sounded like a man who knows he holds, if not all of the cards, but a lot of them. he has the advantage here, and the polls indicate as with bill clinton in the showdown with newt gingrich and the shutdown of the '90s the public blames the republicans when this happens when over on the house side, you have so many republicans who are so far right and worried about somebody farther right running against them in primaries that john boehner is having a hard time to get them to agree to his packages like plan b out here. we don't know how much out here in the public things have changed since last week, but it seemed like president obama was saying something that he was planning to say if it came down to the last few days. >> joy, is this the same kind of negotiation we saw in the first term? >> well, richard, one of the things that you didn
the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. >> the president seemed to be much more comfortable in the white house briefing room today using the bully pulpit saying enough is enough. >> he did. i thought that he sounded like a man who knows he holds, if not all of the cards, but a lot of them. he has the advantage here, and the polls indicate as with bill clinton in the showdown with newt gingrich and the shutdown of the '90s the public...
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lower than other re-election years. for example, 2008, 2004, and 2000. gerri: you say more than 80% of the rules have been under review for 90 plus days. why does it takeso long? look, i don't even want to see the rules come into place but at end of the day they should have some efficiency about enacting them and writing them down? >> sure. well the biggest issue is transparency. you mentioned the 90-day threshold. under executive orders, 90 days is supposed to be the maximum. roughly 80% of the rules have been there longer than 90 days. this is really unprecedented. part of the issue as i mentioned is transparency the white house under law is supposed to release two unified agendas of regulations each year and the last onone they issued was for last fall. even that one was late. we don't have one for 2012 at all. we have no clue really beyond what is at the white house what is scheduled for 13 and 2014. members of the house oversight committee --. gerri: talk about your transparency problem. that is a big transparency
lower than other re-election years. for example, 2008, 2004, and 2000. gerri: you say more than 80% of the rules have been under review for 90 plus days. why does it takeso long? look, i don't even want to see the rules come into place but at end of the day they should have some efficiency about enacting them and writing them down? >> sure. well the biggest issue is transparency. you mentioned the 90-day threshold. under executive orders, 90 days is supposed to be the maximum. roughly 80%...
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that is one of these issues that elections are supposed to decide those things. >> and larry elder. i'll give you the last word on our new year's show. the debt ceiling is coming. but nobody wants america to default. >> the debt ceiling is coming. the end game is a value added tax on top of the irs so that we have the western style welfare state. tax es are going to go up next year also. >> maybe. >> taxes. >> president obama has never said anyone of those thing. >> happy new year. thank you very much. thank you very much. appreciate it. the night continues head over to cnbc.com for the latest. happy new year everybody and all of 2012. excuse me, sir i'm gonna have to ask you to power down your little word game. i think your friends will understand. oh no, it's actually my geico app...see? ...i just uh paid my bill. did you really? from the plane? yeah, i can manage my policy, get roadside assistance, pretty much access geico 24/7. sounds a little too good to be true sir. i'll believe that when pigs fly. ok, did she seriously just say that? geico. just click away with our free mobil
that is one of these issues that elections are supposed to decide those things. >> and larry elder. i'll give you the last word on our new year's show. the debt ceiling is coming. but nobody wants america to default. >> the debt ceiling is coming. the end game is a value added tax on top of the irs so that we have the western style welfare state. tax es are going to go up next year also. >> maybe. >> taxes. >> president obama has never said anyone of those thing....
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and i think the 2012 election shows i. we have this remnant, these tea party people who held onto 2012. by the i want, the democrats made gains for the house and i'm talking about the extremists who used to have a more reasonable approachment and it was because of the congressional merriment. we have bad luck. the best republican year happened to be 2010, which was the year that the governors and the legislatures elected did congressional redistricting. they said the democrats would is picked up more seats, maybe six more. we wouldn't have controlled the house, but it would have been a significant increase. i think the american public has made it clear that they do not agree with the republican right wing. they don't want social security and medicare to be taken about. they're not hung up on other people's private lives and emotional lives and they're supporting the people with the same sex right to marry. now on gun control, they're on the wrong side. so i am optimistic that we are going to see the elections of 2012. i th
and i think the 2012 election shows i. we have this remnant, these tea party people who held onto 2012. by the i want, the democrats made gains for the house and i'm talking about the extremists who used to have a more reasonable approachment and it was because of the congressional merriment. we have bad luck. the best republican year happened to be 2010, which was the year that the governors and the legislatures elected did congressional redistricting. they said the democrats would is picked...
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which if that were to happen, what would the country think of our elected officials? but i want to ask that in a broad sense. you've followed politics for a long time. when you look at this from the outside and you're an average american, basically the media is saying, congress, if they don't do anything now, might as well pass something on january 3rd but in actuality they could pass today. do you think people are understanding how absurd it is? >> no. the american people understand how absurd this is. we've been seeing poll after poll after poll showing the american people, if the country goes over the cliff, would is to blame? the republicans get the majority of the blame. speaker boehner and his plan b could not even get the republicans in his caucus to pass a tax increase on people making $1 million when we already know through november election and through subsequent public opinion polls, the american people are perfectly fine with raising taxes on people earning incomes of $250,000 and above. so the idea that the republican party can't -- i mean, i should say s
which if that were to happen, what would the country think of our elected officials? but i want to ask that in a broad sense. you've followed politics for a long time. when you look at this from the outside and you're an average american, basically the media is saying, congress, if they don't do anything now, might as well pass something on january 3rd but in actuality they could pass today. do you think people are understanding how absurd it is? >> no. the american people understand how...
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it's not what he was elected to do. stuart: -- prosperity, i don't think the president will do that. >> he wants to do that. stuart: it seems to me -- i'm a partisan observer here, he wants a political victory. he wants to beat the republicans over the head and beat them up good, but the country pays the price. that's my problem here, kirsten. >> i don't think that's right. i think that people misunderstand often what goes on in washington. that there are these really serious philosophical differences about what it's going to take to get the country on the right track, and the president just has a different vision than you do. stuart: as of tomorrow morning, regardless, forget the fiscal cliff, for a second, regardless of that, as of tomorrow morning, every single person in america who works will pay more taxes. the social security tax is going up. okay? every single person who earns over a certain amount of money will pay a higher medicare tax. everybody who uses a medical device will pay a higher price for that medica
it's not what he was elected to do. stuart: -- prosperity, i don't think the president will do that. >> he wants to do that. stuart: it seems to me -- i'm a partisan observer here, he wants a political victory. he wants to beat the republicans over the head and beat them up good, but the country pays the price. that's my problem here, kirsten. >> i don't think that's right. i think that people misunderstand often what goes on in washington. that there are these really serious...
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. >> michael, i see on november 6th, 234 republicans were elected. only 15 of them from congressional districts obama won. in 2014, 14 senators will be -- will go up for re-election. 13 of them will stay and -- 12 of them in states obama did not win and like we have 2 different parallel sort of universes trying to talk to each other and republicans don't really need and are not incented to work with obama because they're coming from constituency that is don't like him, won't vote for him. why not fight against him because that's good for them? >> well, i tell you what. guys like john boehner see that and they see a trend where their base shrinks and gets smaller and smaller and smaller. eventually they will be the minority party. they don't want that to happen. they can look at the polls and where it says most of the country favors raising taxes on the rich and the positions that obama was pushing during the campaign, otherwise he wouldn't have won. they know it's a problem and don't want to be relegated to the party of white guys in the south. >> th
. >> michael, i see on november 6th, 234 republicans were elected. only 15 of them from congressional districts obama won. in 2014, 14 senators will be -- will go up for re-election. 13 of them will stay and -- 12 of them in states obama did not win and like we have 2 different parallel sort of universes trying to talk to each other and republicans don't really need and are not incented to work with obama because they're coming from constituency that is don't like him, won't vote for him....
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you don't get elected and say elected without being someone who is smart, gifted and savvy. and put them against scott brown there and it will be an ain'ting race. that is saying who knows who else could jump into the race. >> i think the key to the point is you is to go with scott brown's middle name and that is mitch mcconnell. and the idea that you are going to cut social service during this recession, at the end of the day i don't think you can vote for him as a leader. >> before we go, do you think there is a chance that scott brown won't run? >> he is waiting in the wings if scott brown doesn't run? >> he ran for governor of new york and more power to him if he he can pull it off but national republicans and the money thinks he has the best shot. >> thank you both for joining me tonight. coming up, our final update or the year. on the kind fund. i'll read some of the comments that you have left about it. in the rewrite tonight i can understand why the guys in the vatican are so wrong about marriage. so if it fair that we expect them to understand the first think about
you don't get elected and say elected without being someone who is smart, gifted and savvy. and put them against scott brown there and it will be an ain'ting race. that is saying who knows who else could jump into the race. >> i think the key to the point is you is to go with scott brown's middle name and that is mitch mcconnell. and the idea that you are going to cut social service during this recession, at the end of the day i don't think you can vote for him as a leader. >>...